Re: Is the EMG-6 capable of meeting the Part 103 using the Ploini Thor 250 engine?
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Is the EMG-6 capable of meeting the Part 103 Ultralite requirements using the Ploini Thor 250 engine?
Does the pricing of the kits, IE Rudder Kit, Fuselage kit, include shipping? What would be shipping to 65810?
Does the cost of the Platinum series include all parts and shipping?
What parts must the builder supply and the average build time? I know, you have been working on this design for several years, and are still building! Good for you! But what about the average person?
What would a complete kit cost, picked up in Corning , CA. without a motor. I need a vacation!!
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Question #1 Is the EMG-6 capable of meeting the Part 103 Ultralite requirements using the Ploini Thor 250 engine?
The EMG-6 is primarily an electric motor glider. The ultralight version of the aircraft was designed at an empty weight of 200 pounds in the mono wheel configuration. This would leave a motor and battery combination of 54 pounds.
In order to be able to meet the part 103 requirement with the Polini 250 would have to get very creative with the design. The empty weight of the engine without fluids is 46 pounds, then you would need add motor mount, fuel tank, propeller.
You can see the difficulty, and in reality many of the part 103 aircraft that you see being advertised are not.
The EMG-6 prototype flew with the small sustainer motor and 28 pounds of batteries and was a legal part 103 aircraft for the first 100 flights.
After the collapse of the Quicksilver company, we have had to regroup with regards to the part 103 airplane. When their company collapsed they took with them the templates for the Dacron sailcloth sails, as well as many of the drawings for many of the existing components that Quicksilver manufactured. All of those which are no longer available.
We are currently working on dealing with these problems and are slowly getting back on track for the part 103 ultralight version of the aircraft.
However we have 9 customers currently building the aircraft and all of them are interested in building the higher performance (LD) version of the aircraft. Our current plans are to continue the development of this aircraft model until we are able to sell complete kits on a regular basis. After that phase is complete we will go back in and re-invest in the part 103 version of the aircraft. It will cost us about $12,000 just to remake the dacron sailcloth templates.
Question #2, Does the pricing of the kits, IE Rudder Kit, Fuselage kit, include shipping? What would be shipping to 65810?
Currently we do not have any firm prices on complete kits, however we are slowly working on the pricing structure for each of the component kits IE Rudder, fuselage, frame etc.
Question #3, Does the cost of the Platinum series include all parts and shipping?
We provide customer service, and all of the drawings and design of the aircraft to each customer for a $500 fee. All of the costs of the silver, gold, and platinum levels are primarily for this fee that goes towards the development of the aircraft and continued support. The platinum level simply allows you to pay a $5000 deposit towards parts, components, or complete kit and have that $500 fee waived. Making the cost of the design and the customer service basically free. You can use the following link to clarify some of the details of these registration fees.
Question #4,What parts must the builder supply and the average build time? I know, you have been working on this design for several years, and are still building! Good for you! But what about the average person?
One of the very interesting aspects of the aircraft design is we are trying to make the aircraft as cost-effective as possible. This involves a supplying the drawings that would allow the average builder to make as many of the parts as possible. This can substantially reduce the cost of the aircraft by putting your own labor into the manufacturing of these individual components. Our goal is to have builders throughout the entire spectrum. Some builders building primarily from the plans building 80 to 90% of the parts themselves, some builders building a standard kit, and some builders building a quick build kit that still meets the 51% rule to be able to certify the aircraft as an amateur built aircraft. And eventually back to the part 103 legal aircraft where the aircraft can also be built in many different stages but some aircraft being able to be delivered ready to fly.
Question #5,What would a complete kit cost, picked up in Corning , CA. without a motor. I need a vacation!!
Once again, we're still working on the pricing structure. Much of the work that we put into the aircraft design is primarily focused on how can we get the cost of manufacturing down. We have an abundance of aircraft in the industry that meet all kinds of needs in different categories, but for the average person, $40,000 to $100,000 is not what we would call an entry-level aircraft. Our goal for the aircraft is to be able to build and airframe minus the engine for around $10,000. And of course picking the kit up from our facility would be another way to reduce the cost.